ironsofcanada
10:01 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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LJC
Interesting to compare the cases.
In Xhaka's one very large bet was placed on a yellow card in the last ten minutes.
He got one for time wasting over a free kick.
And he was cleared.
I guess you could say Paqueta's had a lot more moving parts and would be harder to write off as a coincidence.
But Xhaka did (inadvertently apparently) fulfill a more specific part in it.
But there was again apparently no paper trail, digital or otherwise connecting him.
While Paqueta has connections to the bettors, again apparently.
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Hammer and Pickle
9:45 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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Yeah the bait was just as shit on the other thread
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LJC
8:29 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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I said on the other thread but didn’t Xhaka have an issue against him recently and nothing come of it?
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Hammer and Pickle
8:26 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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If there is a betting syndicate scam and the bets are on refereeing decisions, it stands reason it is the official that are going to be the main object of any serious investigation. Given what we see pretty much every game there is absolutely nothing outlandish about the officials being in on it.
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Crassus
8:20 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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Telephony will be decisive, given he is half a world away
Already said his bank is clean, so messages, calls or intercepts if there are bigger fish involved
Brazil has been coming down very strong on favela based villainy
Monday may reveal more
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nychammer
8:04 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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True. I get how it *could* be perceived as an obvious betting scam, but to H&P point you have to PROVE Paqueta was actually in on it. All he has to do is deny it so long as nobody else coughs or there is no other evidence
to H&P point there is the yet more outlandish notion that the officials were in on it, not beyond possibility but again how do you prove that.
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Hammer and Pickle
7:58 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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Only makes sense when you realise the officials are bent in a particular direction. Don’t buy the player being in on it - his gain is highly questionable and the risks are off the scale.
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nychammer
7:52 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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happygilmore - thanks makes sense that if true
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happygilmore
7:39 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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nychammer 5:07 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
2 - How to you prove that?
This is very easy
The Lucas Paqueta investigation started from a bet on Paquetá's yellow card in West Ham's 1-1 draw with Aston Villa, on March 12 in the PL.
The player took the yellow in the 24th minute of the second half. Initial analysis showed that on that day several new accounts were created on Betway, linked with people close to Paqueta, with users depositing the maximum amount allowed.
These accounts made a married bet to increase the winnings: the authors would only receive the money if Paquetá took yellow against Villa and if striker Luiz Henrique, from Betis, received the card against Villarreal, on the same day on March 12.
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ironsofcanada
7:17 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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NYC
The Villa game? - his was the only yellow.
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wansteadman
7:15 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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Toney only better on football generally. This ones two players in different leagues both getting yellow cards and the people in Brazil doing it as a double. This is more like match fixing. This could really bite us in the arse.
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nychammer
5:07 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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The questions theta need to be answered are
1 . Did he place any bets himself
2 . Is it a normal occurrence for a tough tackling midfielder to be booked or did he get booked on purpose.
1 - Apparently NO
2 - How to you prove that? Thinking back, there were some really soft bookings in that game
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brundal
9:58 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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Nagel
It could have been Kitson but Moncur did the thumbs up, probably the all the team had a few shillings on it.
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Nagel
9:51 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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Wasn't it Kitson, not Moncur? He was the one who made the bookies ban betting on the first throw-in.
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brundal
9:32 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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The questions theta need to be answered are
1 . Did he place any bets himself
2 . Is it a normal occurrence for a tough tackling midfielder to be booked or did he get booked on purpose.
Both hard to prove.
Anyone remember when Moncur kicked the ball out for a throw in from the kickoff and gave the thumbs up to Harry, when you could bet on the time of the first throw in .
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nychammer
3:12 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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shit. We fend off Man City interest and then THIS. He could be banned for most of the season, not good news, I hope there's nothing to it.
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Hermit Road
1:46 Sat Aug 19
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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He looks guilty as fuck.
Loads of accounts opened on the same day, maximum amount deposited, some of the. With close ties to Paqueta, all bet the maximum amount in him and Enrique getting booked. Both get booked.
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bruuuno
9:48 Fri Aug 18
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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Crassus 8:38 Fri Aug 18
No one believed you because your didn’t write FACT at the end of your post. HTHYFC
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zico
9:42 Fri Aug 18
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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Wonder if he bet on him moving to Man City! I would laugh though if he had put a few grand on Moyes to be the first manager sacked!
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Sir Alf
8:32 Fri Aug 18
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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Is everyone’s money on him being guilty? Wonder what his money is on?
Seriously though, we are due something like this happening. Crisis club and fines are part of our history
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goose
8:30 Fri Aug 18
Re: Lucas Paquetá
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Follow follow follow, our Brazilian gambling maestro!
He loves a spread better, does Lucas Paqueta……..
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